dialogue

The Debate at Huatai

Jingde Chuandenglu

Tang Dynasty

Traditionally attributed

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At the great assembly at Huatai, Shenhui challenged the followers of the Northern School: "When Shenxiu says 'at all times, keep polishing'—who is it that polishes? If the mirror-mind is fundamentally pure, then polishing is unnecessary. If it is impure, then polishing is futile because the impurity is not in the mirror but in the one who looks for impurity. The Sixth Patriarch's verse says: fundamentally there is not a single thing—where could dust alight? This is not a denial of practice. It is an affirmation of the ground on which all practice rests." The assembly fell silent. Shenhui said: "Your silence is a better answer than your debate was."

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Attribution

Lineage: Early Chan

By Heze Shenhui

From Jingde Chuandenglu

Sources

  • contentZen Editorial Overlay - Originals Curation

    Zen project editorial

    Shenhui Yulu; Jingde Chuandenglu, Vol. 5, Shenhui chapter

    Jingde Chuandenglu: The Debate at Huatai